Nothing wrong with that ?
He relates his own experience of the effect of this: [T]o advocate this understanding is to pull the rug from under not only many familiar carols (‘a lowly cattle shed’; ‘a draughty stable with an open door’) but also a favourite theme of Christmas preachers: the ostracism of the Son of God from human society, Jesus the refugee. serving. After all, we refer to Jesus as “the Nazarene” in Scripture (John 18:5-8) and in the songs such as “I Stand Amazed in the Presence.” Matthew also refers to prophecy regarding Nazareth as the town from which the Messiah would emerge. So why has the wrong, traditional interpretation persisted for so long? This makes sense to me.
For all your “sensitivity” to cultural obstacles, I find it absolutely stunning that you speak,of Jesus having been born into a normal Palestinian family. (You can stay there too, by booking here. Five Simple Christmas Piggyback songs for 2-5 Year olds.
Doesn’t this substitute one thing that is not in the text (“his birth in fact took place in a normal, crowded, warm, welcoming Palestinian home”) for another thing that is not in the text (“Jesus was born in a stable”)?
The Hot Chocolate Mishap. The Romans in the second century, seeking to wipe Israel’s memory off the map renamed it Palestine, possibly a derivation from Philistine. I still cannot find that in God’s word.
It is ‘manger’ too…though of course the proper translation would be ‘food trough’ rather than the mediaeval French ‘manger’ (from ‘to eat’). People might even start asking questions about how we read the Bible and understand it for ourselves! This is the sheerest nonsense, in fact the reverse of sense.
You say that there is no record of a Roman census requiring a return to ancestor homes.
Maybe it can give us clues? Might one infer that ‘the’ manger was a well known specific designated place where animals were quartered in Bethlehem?
What ‘livingness’ means is unclear to me. As a very learned friend and theologan pointed out to me this morning, “that would involve a fair amount of original language work”, and if he says that, it is gold to me. It is as though God the Spirit was refuting the concept of the Sun god whose birth was claimed falsely ,of course,to be December 25. I am happy that you connected this event to the prologue of John. If you enjoyed this, do share it on social media (Facebook or Twitter) using the buttons on the left. Does Proof of Jesus Other Than in the Bible Exist? Well leaving aside the theology, which does not depend on a birth date, the profis don’t want to upset you.
Of course many will deny this because they still prefer them traditions and not the reality but out there are few of us who try to understand the Scripture and our Creator beyond the human tradition.
But basically it is a helpful new (old?) Our First Piano Lessons is a fun introduction to piano for your little one. Christians believe that the virgin birth of Jesus is one of the signs given by God to confirm His only begottenness. but when Christianity drove away the old gods, he remained and appeared again as St Nicholas.
Jesus was born of a virgin, so yea.
Second: if Miriam war really pregnant from Holy Spirit (as some claim) then Yeshua is not the Messiah which Israel expected, why? He was eventually forced to turn away Joseph and Mary (who had just arrived in Bethlehem) because the hotel was completely booked.
First of all, as you note, there is no secular record of a census as Luke describes. It is hard to find nonsense of a higher level than this. If they were shamed, how come there is not a single mention of that in any of the gospel accounts of Jesus’ birth? They may have returned to Bethlehem 8 months before the birth. are not phrases I am interested in. that’s the message of the incarnation is that Jesus is one of us. Billy Graham: What Does Christmas Mean to You? Do check out a history book some time. First of all Miriam/Mary was Joseph fiancee right?
The name “Bethlehem” means “House of Bread” but is also referred to in the Bible as the Town of David (Luke 2:4). These are some of my thoughts after reading the article and the comments. The Romans in the second century, seeking to wipe Israel’s memory off the map renamed it Palestine, possibly a derivation from Philistine. I was also wondering this – do any of your sources say anything on this account? However, I’m not going to be dogmatic about it because it really doesn’t really matter where in Bethlehem Jesus was born, only that He was. John says “…the word or Jesus became flesh and tabernacled among us. Peter Chesters; Sign in to view the Song Number and Original Key Available Content. Note that David also had to deal with aliens in the land. It puts even his birth in a unique setting, in some ways as remote from life as if he had been born in Caesar’s Palace. God gave His Son to this world, which is the greatest gift that could ever be given. We are not to re-write what God has said. Could you clarify for me exactly when this area of land, presumably incorporating Galilee, Samaria and Judea, was known as a state called ‘Israel’? The Bible does not say He was born in a manger, birth would have taken place standing up, but God’s word does say that Jesus was laid in a manger. Jesus Was Born in a Stable. Lyrics.
Yes a bit of a blow out.
How does that fit in with your comments?
And then you further conflate this with Moloch. Lyrics. Maybe the family did not want them out in the cold without shelter so they let them stay but did not give them the best room in the house. The Greek Septuagint should help clarify That He indeed come from the line prophesied.
“… ignorance of first-century Palestinian culture;” Careful on the use of ignorance as I have seen traces of it in your article.
It irritates me that 21st people relate Jesus to the refugee crisis…….that his family or rather he, was a refugee. Ultimately, Jesus existed with God before the world was created (John 1). Jesus was born into a Judean family in Judea before the renaming of the land by the Romans. What’s interesting i think is what is included and what is not included in the text. In the Orthodox tradition, Mary was 14 years old when discovered to be with child, and Joseph was a much older man – a widower with sons from his first marriage who was also married to his brother’s wife and taking care of his brother’s sons as well.